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musings on the "Tag" phenomenon

i hope these guys don't mind me re-quoting them here. it's a fun exchange ... and there may be more ...

edbook:
tagging is exhausting... is there any way to do it other than reviewing each post individually? of course not. why am I doing it? finding things to do other than what I must do...
avoiding....

it's a problem I have... I need to somehow change it to a challenge so I can get on with life without the monkeys... get thee off my back....

Peace

lost_tumbleweed:
I certainly agree.

It would be nice if tags would automatically find themselves embedded within the journal entry. Just like "spell check" in email or wordprocessing programs. However, these tags would simply add themselves to the "Tag" line up.

We'll probably end up there.

balljar:
Hmm...

If we had the ability to do that, it would make the tags redundant, no?

lost_tumbleweed:
hmmm .... on my end of your question.

redundant in that the tagged word in the entry would be highlighted and possibly linkable, thus, no need for a tag?

if that's what you mean, i hadn't thought that far with the tagged words being highlighted and linkable straight from the entry. It's a neat idea ... however ... that might make a entry less inviting to read. i don't know if i like that idea. though you see it all the time with online stories or wikipedia entries.

maybe there could be an option to have one's tagged words highlighted within the body of the entry or at the top/bottom of the entry.

is this what you were thinking?

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sckot
Jun. 28th, 2005 11:27 am (UTC)
I've been ruminating about tags for a while. I like the way the current incarnation of del.icio.us handles tags, suggesting them both from previously used ones and ones used for the same entry by other posters. I expect to see a lot more sites using that as a categorizing scheme, since the code to manage it is relatively simple: each tag is just a hash table key, pointing to a linked list of each of the referenced entries. Nearly all of the actual management is handled by the hash table itself, which is a basic predefined variable type in many languages (hashes in Perl and dictionaries in Python, for example), and very easily reused code in others (such as C).

The best way to retrofit tags onto old entries would be to download all of your journal in XML (I believe it goes one month per file), run some kind of text scanner/indexer (to comb through for words that appear within a certain percentile of frequency, perhaps, or a list of keywords suggesting a particular category of post), and then sift through the words it suggests. I don't think many lj clients support the tags yet (and twice as likely they don't support "auto-re-tag old entries") -- I'm trying to decide whether it's worth the trouble to patch jlj, the perl client (whose maintainer seems to be AWOL at the moment), or just keep posting through the web / with my email.
lost_tumbleweed
Jun. 30th, 2005 04:00 am (UTC)
del.icio.us ... oh, that's cool. it sounds like an organizing paradise.

i think mac is supposed to have something like that in its tiger incantation ... not sure ... yet it seems familiar.

The best way to retrofit tags onto old entries would be to download all of your journal in XML egads ... since early 2002? yikes. i might wait for one of the periods where i'm absolutely bored with or burned out on current responsibilities and need a change or something for procrastinating.

I'm trying to decide whether it's worth the trouble to patch jlj, the perl client
now you're sounding geeky ... ;^}

peace, Guy.
sckot
Jun. 30th, 2005 12:47 pm (UTC)
Well, one of the things I like most about del.icio.us is searching a feed of other people's bookmarks by keywords. I've been trying to find a good collection of Ethiopian recipies*, but had very little luck with google. Once I found two, I noticed "and 2 other people" had linked to the same ones, so I looked at their recipe bookmarks and found some good stuff.

since early 2002? yikes. Yeah, you don't see me tagging old journal entries either. ;)

* Oh, and Little Africa by Fulton and Diamond is fantastic.
sckot
Jun. 30th, 2005 03:20 am (UTC)
inquiring minds want to something or another
What's with screening the comment?

(and, tangentially, why "nelanj"?)
lost_tumbleweed
Jun. 30th, 2005 03:53 am (UTC)
Re: inquiring minds want to something or another
What's with screening the comment?

huh? whatchutalkinabout?
sckot
Jun. 30th, 2005 12:33 pm (UTC)
Re: inquiring minds want to something or another
There was weird stuff going on, it looked like the comment backdrop was grayed out and the count wasn't reflecting it.
lost_tumbleweed
Jul. 4th, 2005 03:24 am (UTC)
Re: inquiring minds want to something or another
Oh, hey.

A few days ago, I tried to send you to this post about what nelanj means. LJ was having technical difficulty and I couldn't get there.

Finaly, here is the link:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/nelanj/87167.html
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